at0474
12-14 05:17 PM
Are you saying that because someone like that does not qualify for EB1, all they are doing is not wishing to compete on merit? Are you saying a teacher is not deserving of a green card.
--No. I did not say that.
--No. I did not say that.
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zCool
05-09 05:08 PM
All I can say is.. HUH???
Now there are plenty of reasons to not go to canada.. but going to India and applying from there is NOT one of them:)
Do you even know how long the wait is from India for processing time??
It's 5 years and increasing BY THE DAY!
for those in US GC and thinking of applying to canadian pr...
DONT DO IT !!!
You just end up spending around 3k-6k for you and your dependants, and it will go unused since you are waiting for US GC.
the best way for canadian shit is to go back to India when you are sure you will not get the US GC. You can then apply for canadian PR from India.
The canadian government just takes your money and you dont get jobs easily. Most of the jobs are for people with job experience "INSIDE CANADA".
India is a good place to shit too. Your daily toilet does not HAVE to be in some other country if the restrooms in US are closed forever.
Now there are plenty of reasons to not go to canada.. but going to India and applying from there is NOT one of them:)
Do you even know how long the wait is from India for processing time??
It's 5 years and increasing BY THE DAY!
for those in US GC and thinking of applying to canadian pr...
DONT DO IT !!!
You just end up spending around 3k-6k for you and your dependants, and it will go unused since you are waiting for US GC.
the best way for canadian shit is to go back to India when you are sure you will not get the US GC. You can then apply for canadian PR from India.
The canadian government just takes your money and you dont get jobs easily. Most of the jobs are for people with job experience "INSIDE CANADA".
India is a good place to shit too. Your daily toilet does not HAVE to be in some other country if the restrooms in US are closed forever.
unitednations
02-13 12:08 PM
I'm not sure that your numbers add up. There's no guarantee that anybody would receive a green card before their 90 or 180 day I-94 expires. Leaving the US and reentering to remain in status then runs the risk of putting immigration application in danger. In reality - PERM takes a couple of months to complete with advertising, interviewing, preparing documents and filing. The I-140/485 process takes another 6-8 months assuming that there are no RFEs and your case is processed in the faster service centers. This timescale only works for ROW applicants if they meet the EB-2 standard. This is not an easy standard to meet for many people who have worked at the same employer for a number of years.
On a separate note, CIS is supposed to meet a standard where most green card applications are evaluated within less than a year. They claim to meet this standard by quickly approving applications whose dates are current and then not including backlogged applications in their calculations. One more example of fuzzy math at the CIS...
This is how the law works:
To file I-485; one has to be admissable and in non immigrant status(not subject to J-1 requirements, no major medical issues, no serious criminal issue). If there is a labor and priority date is current then you go straight to 140/485.
many times a company may have already filed a labor for you before you even get into USA.
There is protection of 245k which basically gives a buffer of 6 months. Essentially; one can file a 485 if they were out of status; worked without authorization or were in non immigrant status within six months of filing 485.
So what this means is if your I-94 card expires in March 31, 2007; you have protection to file 485 until about September 30, 2007. There is more then enough time to be able to file the 485. The big hiccup happens if the priority date moves backwards and you can't file the 485.
Last year there were a few people who had posted on immigration.com who had their 485's retruned by uscis. They came on visitor visa and labor approved but filed in eb3. Their stupid lawyers didn't realize the dates were retrogressed or when they started the process there was word of law change and they figured that by the time labor cleared; the visa dates would be current.
I wouldn't fight this much; it is well established that people do this and it goes on. This is one of the reasons why I was pretty much against filing 485 without priority date being current. There would be a mass flood of people who would file. People who currently file in political asylum or get married to us citizens or people who have family sponsorship and are waiting visa dates would all flip over to employment base and would cause millions of applications with never ending retrogression. it would have pretty much been a disaster.
On a separate note, CIS is supposed to meet a standard where most green card applications are evaluated within less than a year. They claim to meet this standard by quickly approving applications whose dates are current and then not including backlogged applications in their calculations. One more example of fuzzy math at the CIS...
This is how the law works:
To file I-485; one has to be admissable and in non immigrant status(not subject to J-1 requirements, no major medical issues, no serious criminal issue). If there is a labor and priority date is current then you go straight to 140/485.
many times a company may have already filed a labor for you before you even get into USA.
There is protection of 245k which basically gives a buffer of 6 months. Essentially; one can file a 485 if they were out of status; worked without authorization or were in non immigrant status within six months of filing 485.
So what this means is if your I-94 card expires in March 31, 2007; you have protection to file 485 until about September 30, 2007. There is more then enough time to be able to file the 485. The big hiccup happens if the priority date moves backwards and you can't file the 485.
Last year there were a few people who had posted on immigration.com who had their 485's retruned by uscis. They came on visitor visa and labor approved but filed in eb3. Their stupid lawyers didn't realize the dates were retrogressed or when they started the process there was word of law change and they figured that by the time labor cleared; the visa dates would be current.
I wouldn't fight this much; it is well established that people do this and it goes on. This is one of the reasons why I was pretty much against filing 485 without priority date being current. There would be a mass flood of people who would file. People who currently file in political asylum or get married to us citizens or people who have family sponsorship and are waiting visa dates would all flip over to employment base and would cause millions of applications with never ending retrogression. it would have pretty much been a disaster.
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BharatPremi
12-13 05:09 PM
If someone from country X, Y, or Z comes in on that same quota, that's OK - but we can't accept folks from countries A, B and C??
jazz
Yes, exactly that is the point. What would be the purpose(backdoor policy theme) to implement Per country limit , particularly for EB category? And why IN, Philipines, MX and china are the only choosen ones?
jazz
Yes, exactly that is the point. What would be the purpose(backdoor policy theme) to implement Per country limit , particularly for EB category? And why IN, Philipines, MX and china are the only choosen ones?
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roseball
07-10 11:48 AM
how long did it take you get your canadian PR adn when did u apply? please share
I replied to your pm....
I replied to your pm....
kumar1
07-11 01:10 AM
Well, there is just one crieteria, work your ass off and get 40 points.
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sunty
02-13 07:23 PM
Hi,
I like the idea but I believe at this time it is crucial to continue participation in the letter campaign. If we do not get success through it, I will be glad to participate in the lawsuit. Also, like me, at that time there might be hundreds of people willing to be a part.
Same here...I did vote yes for the lawsuit but let's wait a little for Admin fixes or the scaled down CIR version (if it happens).
I like the idea but I believe at this time it is crucial to continue participation in the letter campaign. If we do not get success through it, I will be glad to participate in the lawsuit. Also, like me, at that time there might be hundreds of people willing to be a part.
Same here...I did vote yes for the lawsuit but let's wait a little for Admin fixes or the scaled down CIR version (if it happens).
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snram4
01-18 10:05 AM
The H1b rules and Cap are framed based on the principle that foreigners will be allowed only when there are no avialblity of skilled persons for that job. That is the reason For LCA and salary requirements. You can very well google that why H1b visa was created on 1991. Everyone in congress and also american public expects that American jobs should not be replaced by foreigners. But when there is no clear cut job position there could be foreigner could be hired just because he quotes 10 dollar less than American but same skills.
But still we can lobby for change of law to get some grace period of 2 or 3 months when a persons job lost or H1b is cancelled. But it is a bad idea to justify bench without pay for H1b. But still USCIS was sympathtic towards most people and most H1bs got green card though they were in bench. One of my relative forgot to renew H1b for more than an year but otherwise perfect. They accepted and applied for extension explaining the situation and got extension. If they would followed the law she would have got 10 year Ban. But I am not expecting any sympathy from USCIS for anyone who violated law or regulation knowlingly.
Is H-1B working at a gas station a bad apple? Yes.
Non-Indian staffing company keeps $150/hr, 25 years back. Is this a bad apple? How much can a staffing company keep? Why? Who decides it? Has Hilda L. Solis decided it for for US workers? Why should Janet Napolitano decide it for H-1B?
Contractor salary and benefits come from his/her billing only. Most US workers are not paid on bench/benefits. Why should H-1B be paid on bench/benefits? Contractor can be paid on bench/benefits only by spreading the billing over bench/benefits (thereby reducing paycheck). Why is this a good apple?
But still we can lobby for change of law to get some grace period of 2 or 3 months when a persons job lost or H1b is cancelled. But it is a bad idea to justify bench without pay for H1b. But still USCIS was sympathtic towards most people and most H1bs got green card though they were in bench. One of my relative forgot to renew H1b for more than an year but otherwise perfect. They accepted and applied for extension explaining the situation and got extension. If they would followed the law she would have got 10 year Ban. But I am not expecting any sympathy from USCIS for anyone who violated law or regulation knowlingly.
Is H-1B working at a gas station a bad apple? Yes.
Non-Indian staffing company keeps $150/hr, 25 years back. Is this a bad apple? How much can a staffing company keep? Why? Who decides it? Has Hilda L. Solis decided it for for US workers? Why should Janet Napolitano decide it for H-1B?
Contractor salary and benefits come from his/her billing only. Most US workers are not paid on bench/benefits. Why should H-1B be paid on bench/benefits? Contractor can be paid on bench/benefits only by spreading the billing over bench/benefits (thereby reducing paycheck). Why is this a good apple?
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gc_chahiye
06-26 12:49 PM
I did not see any precedance for stopping I485 in the middle of months for past 10 years. If it happens that will be first time
did'nt that just happen to EB3-Other_Workers? The July visa bulletin turned their dates into U, and at the same time USCIS was asked to stop accepting applications (although dates were ok per the June bulletin). That was the note on immigration-law.com (with another note that AILA was looking into the legality of doing this)
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06/16/2007: Unskilled Worker EB Category Visa Exhausted Even in June 2007
* This is a truly bizzare news. AILA has reported that State Department had advised the the USCIS that the EB-3 Other Worker category had been exhausted., and based on this advice, thedUSCIS HQ has informed the Texas Service Center and the Nebraska Service Center to reject EB-3 Other Worker I-485 applications even though the June Visa Bulletin shows visa availability. It is indeed a double blow news to the Unskilled Worker community. AILA is looking into legality of this action.
did'nt that just happen to EB3-Other_Workers? The July visa bulletin turned their dates into U, and at the same time USCIS was asked to stop accepting applications (although dates were ok per the June bulletin). That was the note on immigration-law.com (with another note that AILA was looking into the legality of doing this)
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06/16/2007: Unskilled Worker EB Category Visa Exhausted Even in June 2007
* This is a truly bizzare news. AILA has reported that State Department had advised the the USCIS that the EB-3 Other Worker category had been exhausted., and based on this advice, thedUSCIS HQ has informed the Texas Service Center and the Nebraska Service Center to reject EB-3 Other Worker I-485 applications even though the June Visa Bulletin shows visa availability. It is indeed a double blow news to the Unskilled Worker community. AILA is looking into legality of this action.
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krishmunn
07-27 02:21 PM
Nobody is misguiding anyone. Talk to your lawyer and find out. Amway doesn't offer you employment.
What you get is 1099-MISC the same you get for your stocks and investments. Talk to your lawyer and find out.
So you think Murthy folks are wrong ? BTW, attorney Khanna also says the same.
You should first learn that there are different type of 1099. The one you get for Stocks and Investment include 1099-B, 1099-INT, 1099-DIV. Your Amway bosees will not inform you about these as they want your money.
If you lawyer has said that you are OK with this unauthorized business I suggest -- change your lawyer.
What you get is 1099-MISC the same you get for your stocks and investments. Talk to your lawyer and find out.
So you think Murthy folks are wrong ? BTW, attorney Khanna also says the same.
You should first learn that there are different type of 1099. The one you get for Stocks and Investment include 1099-B, 1099-INT, 1099-DIV. Your Amway bosees will not inform you about these as they want your money.
If you lawyer has said that you are OK with this unauthorized business I suggest -- change your lawyer.
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Caliber
09-04 01:03 PM
You moron coming from the slum region or any other place in Bihar.
You don't know about keralites.
100% Literacy.
Living standard is same like Europe. (no other state have the facilities such as health care and standard of living like Kerala).
It is God's own country.
Visit and see the details.
Even the guys working in Gulf countries knows better than you and making much more than you. Go and see their houses.(multi storied), You are still in an appartment.
Do you ???? You are _TrueFacts aka poorslumdog aka insider
DEALSNET: You got answers for your own questions. Please understand that every one in Andhra also wanted to live the way you guys enjoy in Kerala. But this guy YSR and his son Jagan grabbed every thing in Hyderabad. If you do not giveyour property, they will kill. They killed 174 people. They even intimidated Judges.
It is Jesus Christ that killed YSR for using his name and doing all worst things that a common man can not even imagine.
By the way what is "APPARTMENT?
You don't know about keralites.
100% Literacy.
Living standard is same like Europe. (no other state have the facilities such as health care and standard of living like Kerala).
It is God's own country.
Visit and see the details.
Even the guys working in Gulf countries knows better than you and making much more than you. Go and see their houses.(multi storied), You are still in an appartment.
Do you ???? You are _TrueFacts aka poorslumdog aka insider
DEALSNET: You got answers for your own questions. Please understand that every one in Andhra also wanted to live the way you guys enjoy in Kerala. But this guy YSR and his son Jagan grabbed every thing in Hyderabad. If you do not giveyour property, they will kill. They killed 174 people. They even intimidated Judges.
It is Jesus Christ that killed YSR for using his name and doing all worst things that a common man can not even imagine.
By the way what is "APPARTMENT?
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nixstor
09-23 11:42 AM
I just emailed all of them with my name, address and phone number. Atleast 13 of them bounced. Can some one correct the email addresses in that sheet.
Thanks for sending.
send me a PM with addresses that bounced. I will update the list.
Thanks for sending.
send me a PM with addresses that bounced. I will update the list.
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go2roomshare
07-11 06:11 PM
I know people who got their GC in 7 months from the date they filed PERM. and then there are many people getting GCs every month. There are both good stories and bad stories to tell about getting GC in US.
There were times when H1 quota never reached the limit during the whole fiscal year, now they get used in just 2 days. This mess in GC process is a result mainly due to our own actions (temporary workers and consulting companies hiring temporary workers). Do you think majority of us once we get GC, stay with the consulting company that filed for our GC? When a consulting company files for PERM, they already have a foreign national working under H-1B in that position. So where is the real intent to hire an American when some foreigner is already working at that position?
This employment based GC is a way for us foreigners to immigrate to US easily at one point. Now due to our extreme usage and abuse of this process, there are genuine people who are being sponsored to immigrate to US are also suffering. In a true employment GC scenario, the company should be desperate to keep you for a long time (more than 6 years after H-1B is maxed) for your valuable skills that they were unable to find in others. But in most GC cases, looks like we temporary workers are more desperate than our employers for the GC? aren't we? Do you see any companies sweating on how to retain you with them, because you H-1B is expiring and they have no way to keep you?
Do not put all the blame on US immigration system, the majority of the blame should fall on us and the companies who are helping us to get GCs when our cases are not based on genuine sponsors.
You are right, this is partly true. I work in one of forture 20 company , they redid whole GC on EB2 since Eb3 PD is getting wrost. it wad done just to make me happy and keep me with the company. How many employers will do that? I know lot of my friends had to prey employers and pay from their pocket for same. It is really comes to individual case. on whole i belive we are in more disparate position for GC than employers who really should be.
this is open secret, don't you agree.
There were times when H1 quota never reached the limit during the whole fiscal year, now they get used in just 2 days. This mess in GC process is a result mainly due to our own actions (temporary workers and consulting companies hiring temporary workers). Do you think majority of us once we get GC, stay with the consulting company that filed for our GC? When a consulting company files for PERM, they already have a foreign national working under H-1B in that position. So where is the real intent to hire an American when some foreigner is already working at that position?
This employment based GC is a way for us foreigners to immigrate to US easily at one point. Now due to our extreme usage and abuse of this process, there are genuine people who are being sponsored to immigrate to US are also suffering. In a true employment GC scenario, the company should be desperate to keep you for a long time (more than 6 years after H-1B is maxed) for your valuable skills that they were unable to find in others. But in most GC cases, looks like we temporary workers are more desperate than our employers for the GC? aren't we? Do you see any companies sweating on how to retain you with them, because you H-1B is expiring and they have no way to keep you?
Do not put all the blame on US immigration system, the majority of the blame should fall on us and the companies who are helping us to get GCs when our cases are not based on genuine sponsors.
You are right, this is partly true. I work in one of forture 20 company , they redid whole GC on EB2 since Eb3 PD is getting wrost. it wad done just to make me happy and keep me with the company. How many employers will do that? I know lot of my friends had to prey employers and pay from their pocket for same. It is really comes to individual case. on whole i belive we are in more disparate position for GC than employers who really should be.
this is open secret, don't you agree.
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hiralal
06-17 01:50 PM
what is surprising that one person ..dilipcr ..in this case ..is able to divert the attention of the members.
in other words, maybe in future, one anti-immigrant can pose as dilip ..keep a senseless debate alive ..and divert attention.
---------- are we doing this because there are no visible big campaigns alive ? or does it mean that if we defeat Dilip in this debate then we will get our GC's (please note I am not following this thread ...though I was initially),.. Thanks
in other words, maybe in future, one anti-immigrant can pose as dilip ..keep a senseless debate alive ..and divert attention.
---------- are we doing this because there are no visible big campaigns alive ? or does it mean that if we defeat Dilip in this debate then we will get our GC's (please note I am not following this thread ...though I was initially),.. Thanks
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polapragada
09-24 12:30 AM
Sent the E-mail. tomorrow I will send another E-mail from my official ID
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pitha
02-18 07:52 PM
I don’t get the point? If somebody comes here on visitor visa and files for 485 or people here illegally flip over to EB blah blah blah then you fix the loophole, you just don’t kill the 485 measure. If you have a brain tumor then you surgically remove the tumor. You just don’t cut of the head. Your solution to oppose 485 seems similar to that. What about the people who have been waiting for for a couple of years to get the labor and I140 cleared and cannot apply for 485 now, If you get laid off without 485 you don’t get AC21 provisions to get a similar job and the whole process is gone down the drain. Why are you worried about somebody who might do something in future when you don’t even want to bother about the people who would benefit from 485 measure right now and right here?
As you yourself suggested people from India (eb2 and eb3) should not worry about looking at Visa bulletins for the next 10 years because at current pace it will take at least 10 years. There is no company in USA in technology field which will keep you in the same position for 10 years. And you are opposing 485 on some loophole, so if I am reading between the lines people from India who have not yet applied for 485 might as well pack there bags and go back to India. Thanks a lot for your delightful insight!!!!!
BTW I talk about India not just because I am from India but because it is the most severely retrogressed category in both eb2 and eb3.Ofcourse people from ROW will also face the same problems I described above in EB3 if they have not applied for 485
For example the 485 filing without priority date; how many people knew that a person on visitor visa could file a 485; people from family base who are illegally here would be able to flip over to EB and come into this stream; people on L-1; f-1, etc. .
As you yourself suggested people from India (eb2 and eb3) should not worry about looking at Visa bulletins for the next 10 years because at current pace it will take at least 10 years. There is no company in USA in technology field which will keep you in the same position for 10 years. And you are opposing 485 on some loophole, so if I am reading between the lines people from India who have not yet applied for 485 might as well pack there bags and go back to India. Thanks a lot for your delightful insight!!!!!
BTW I talk about India not just because I am from India but because it is the most severely retrogressed category in both eb2 and eb3.Ofcourse people from ROW will also face the same problems I described above in EB3 if they have not applied for 485
For example the 485 filing without priority date; how many people knew that a person on visitor visa could file a 485; people from family base who are illegally here would be able to flip over to EB and come into this stream; people on L-1; f-1, etc. .
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poorslumdog
05-02 11:30 PM
What a massacre of history! LTTE has killed anyone who has opposed them. They killed Tamils who joined the govt. They killed Tamils who opposed them. they killed Sri Lankan Tamils, they killed Indian Tamils. They have believed in terror at every point of history. It is a terrorist organisation. I believe a lot of Tamils got killed ar Sriperambudar in the rally Rajiv was killed. Sonia on her part appealed for clemency to one of the accused who was sentenced to be hanged because she had a small child. Your passion and facts are getting mixed up here.
You Moron...open your Freaking eyes and read all the posts here. No one is supporting the LTTE. Why do you deviate from the topic again and again. We are talking about the civilians getting killed...but your freaking mind things and talks only about LTTE.
You Moron...open your Freaking eyes and read all the posts here. No one is supporting the LTTE. Why do you deviate from the topic again and again. We are talking about the civilians getting killed...but your freaking mind things and talks only about LTTE.
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snathan
01-18 12:45 PM
There is no doubt Everyone knows that H1b and GC laws are crazy. For that we need to fight to change the law but should not encourage to violate the law. If USCIS violates law lawsuit should be filed. That is the rightway.
How much you are ready to contribute for the law suit. Dont you have any job. Once you get your GC what are you still doing here. just eating everyone's head. Are you adding value here. Please go away.
How much you are ready to contribute for the law suit. Dont you have any job. Once you get your GC what are you still doing here. just eating everyone's head. Are you adding value here. Please go away.
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neverbefore
09-23 12:02 PM
Applause!
looivy
01-13 11:53 AM
I think you should start EB3India.org (not affiliated to IV) similar to EB3Chinese.org
Good Things about IV
1. IV Core does not conduct its business in the forum. They learnt this lesson a long time ago.
2. All their work is done in the donor forum and behind the scenes by volunteers
3. If they feel that any idea is worth pursuing they invite that person (with the idea) behind the scenes and pursue that idea
4. All the work is done by IV members themselves because they are helping themselves
5. IV members are investing time and money to do work which impacts a large number of immigrants
6. That is a professional way to do stuff and i admire the way work is done at IV
Concerns of IV
1. IV always states about the lack of will of people to do something for themselves
2. IV always states that people just comment on forum but do not step forward to do stuff
3. IV always says that people do not donate enough and without donation a grassroot organization will not survive
What IV is doing wrong
1. IV talks about a holistic approach whereby the benefit to EB community will trickle down and once EB2 will become current EB3 will get benefit of spillover
2. IV is assuming EB2 will become current but with the number of indians coming to USA and number of indian students who will graduate from MS courses in USA over the next 5 years EB2I will always be backlogged
3. Plus we are not even talking about EB2 ROW and EB3ROW demand which could go up
4. Supporting the DV 55k bill to US educated GC applicants on the whole looks like a great plan. Sure here are 55k and here are about 150 k GC applicants. 150 - 50 IS 100 K. So if the bill passes we reduce the backlog by 50 k. Now i will am one of the person who will be getting a GC because i am US educated but my opposition to this bill is on principle
5. What IV has to realise is that it is not only IV members specifically but it is a whole lot of non IV members who are EB3 who have been a bigger person in this whole immigration retorgression advocacy scheme of things till now.
How let me explain. We have seen EB3 persons from 2002 who are still waiting for GC and who are not getting spill over visas because EB2 is using up all the spill over visas. So do you see any EB3 now complaining about the rule change supported by IV and made by USCIS whereby EB2 gets spill over visas. NO we do not see any EB3 complaining. That is because EB3 as a whole understands that that rule in the past being interpeted in a wrong way and the current way is the correct interpetation. Sure the old method gave EB3 some extra spill over visa benefit but the new interpetation caused EB3 to dry up compleletly. Now that in itself is against the very nature of self preservation by definition, But EB3 went along for the greater good
What IV can do right
1. Now we have this 55K DV Bill. This is something different from the spillover (which is law and cannot be changed). This is one time oppurtunity to alieviate the sufferings of EB group as a whole. So can IV which is supposed to be talking for the whole EB community do the right thing here and ensure (with advocacy they are so good at) that IV's stand is that 55K visa are given to all GC applicant from retrogressed countries based on oldest priority date first irrespective of EB2 and EB3.
2. The concequence of such a move is that long retrogressed EB applicants will get relief (Which is one of the point IV talks about in their charter)
3. Sure Many US educated applicants from EB2 and EB3 will oppose this move because lets face it, this move impacts their getting GC sooner. And if they behave like that they are in the same category as EB2 guys on this forum who do not entertain any idea which will impact their getting GC soon.
What wil happen if IV does the above
1. The DV 55K bill will NEVER pass in congress. This along with the other bills we have seen will bite the dust because no one in the current economic scenario would like to see more immigrants (US educated or not)
2. The DV 55K bill will fail but IV would have achieved what it has failed to do till now. Get the support of EB3 community which they claim to represent.
Synopsis
How how does this work. This is a suggestion for discussion NOT a diktat to IV core to implement. If IV core does not allow discussion on this (and moderate this because frankly some of your existing advocacy group members and volunteers do not know what a discussion is and come out both fists swinging) then that is IV core perogative. they have that right since this is their system and they worked hard for it, and they believe what they say is right.
One question i do have for all the members who have argued with me here. Have you seen all the discussion i have participated under and my other posts. Please do that before yelling that i was a member since 2006 and freeloader and all that. You need to do this because if i am you enemy (Scounderal, Liad weed, Anti Immgrant, Future USA etc) then don't you think to know your enemy is better.
On a funny flip side ...............................
How will this be treated by the current members
Ohh He is a liar, cheat, sounderrl, absurer, voilent person, free loader, smooch, weed, Anti Immgrant, future USA and other unspeakable things
By the way guys i am a She not a He
Adieu/Ciao
Good Things about IV
1. IV Core does not conduct its business in the forum. They learnt this lesson a long time ago.
2. All their work is done in the donor forum and behind the scenes by volunteers
3. If they feel that any idea is worth pursuing they invite that person (with the idea) behind the scenes and pursue that idea
4. All the work is done by IV members themselves because they are helping themselves
5. IV members are investing time and money to do work which impacts a large number of immigrants
6. That is a professional way to do stuff and i admire the way work is done at IV
Concerns of IV
1. IV always states about the lack of will of people to do something for themselves
2. IV always states that people just comment on forum but do not step forward to do stuff
3. IV always says that people do not donate enough and without donation a grassroot organization will not survive
What IV is doing wrong
1. IV talks about a holistic approach whereby the benefit to EB community will trickle down and once EB2 will become current EB3 will get benefit of spillover
2. IV is assuming EB2 will become current but with the number of indians coming to USA and number of indian students who will graduate from MS courses in USA over the next 5 years EB2I will always be backlogged
3. Plus we are not even talking about EB2 ROW and EB3ROW demand which could go up
4. Supporting the DV 55k bill to US educated GC applicants on the whole looks like a great plan. Sure here are 55k and here are about 150 k GC applicants. 150 - 50 IS 100 K. So if the bill passes we reduce the backlog by 50 k. Now i will am one of the person who will be getting a GC because i am US educated but my opposition to this bill is on principle
5. What IV has to realise is that it is not only IV members specifically but it is a whole lot of non IV members who are EB3 who have been a bigger person in this whole immigration retorgression advocacy scheme of things till now.
How let me explain. We have seen EB3 persons from 2002 who are still waiting for GC and who are not getting spill over visas because EB2 is using up all the spill over visas. So do you see any EB3 now complaining about the rule change supported by IV and made by USCIS whereby EB2 gets spill over visas. NO we do not see any EB3 complaining. That is because EB3 as a whole understands that that rule in the past being interpeted in a wrong way and the current way is the correct interpetation. Sure the old method gave EB3 some extra spill over visa benefit but the new interpetation caused EB3 to dry up compleletly. Now that in itself is against the very nature of self preservation by definition, But EB3 went along for the greater good
What IV can do right
1. Now we have this 55K DV Bill. This is something different from the spillover (which is law and cannot be changed). This is one time oppurtunity to alieviate the sufferings of EB group as a whole. So can IV which is supposed to be talking for the whole EB community do the right thing here and ensure (with advocacy they are so good at) that IV's stand is that 55K visa are given to all GC applicant from retrogressed countries based on oldest priority date first irrespective of EB2 and EB3.
2. The concequence of such a move is that long retrogressed EB applicants will get relief (Which is one of the point IV talks about in their charter)
3. Sure Many US educated applicants from EB2 and EB3 will oppose this move because lets face it, this move impacts their getting GC sooner. And if they behave like that they are in the same category as EB2 guys on this forum who do not entertain any idea which will impact their getting GC soon.
What wil happen if IV does the above
1. The DV 55K bill will NEVER pass in congress. This along with the other bills we have seen will bite the dust because no one in the current economic scenario would like to see more immigrants (US educated or not)
2. The DV 55K bill will fail but IV would have achieved what it has failed to do till now. Get the support of EB3 community which they claim to represent.
Synopsis
How how does this work. This is a suggestion for discussion NOT a diktat to IV core to implement. If IV core does not allow discussion on this (and moderate this because frankly some of your existing advocacy group members and volunteers do not know what a discussion is and come out both fists swinging) then that is IV core perogative. they have that right since this is their system and they worked hard for it, and they believe what they say is right.
One question i do have for all the members who have argued with me here. Have you seen all the discussion i have participated under and my other posts. Please do that before yelling that i was a member since 2006 and freeloader and all that. You need to do this because if i am you enemy (Scounderal, Liad weed, Anti Immgrant, Future USA etc) then don't you think to know your enemy is better.
On a funny flip side ...............................
How will this be treated by the current members
Ohh He is a liar, cheat, sounderrl, absurer, voilent person, free loader, smooch, weed, Anti Immgrant, future USA and other unspeakable things
By the way guys i am a She not a He
Adieu/Ciao
old_hat
05-03 01:59 AM
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Its not he....Its you...yes, you are the one comng in three different IDs and supporting yourself.:eek:
get over delusional thoughts. At my age I am not looking for vindication from any quarters. my opinions are my own and mostly well supported with facts. And yes I am flexible to changing my views based on facts and arguments based on facts.
Its not he....Its you...yes, you are the one comng in three different IDs and supporting yourself.:eek:
get over delusional thoughts. At my age I am not looking for vindication from any quarters. my opinions are my own and mostly well supported with facts. And yes I am flexible to changing my views based on facts and arguments based on facts.
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